I like that one Mary.

Now, if only both denominations would learn to thnk....

Haruo, your contention re Charles versus John Wesley is interesting.
As I remember my British History course at University, a very pagan lecturer gave John high marks for his outreach to the poor & displaced as the Industrial Revolution swept thru "Englands green & pleasant land" (as another of my favourites so beautifully put it).

Religious historians may well agree with your point (and certainly musicologists will). But mainstream historians I suspect have John on a higher plane.

Good thread this - and nice to see Catters prepared to sing (albeit with altered words) some of the old classics. To paraphrase old Mr Booth (the founder of the Salvation Army) "Why should God have all the good tunes"!!!!

Dave