But Gareth does concur with ard macha's assessment, Little Hawk, as is pointed out in A M's post of 09 May 04 - 07:02 AM: " Sexual humiliation of prisoners in Abu Ghraib was not an invention of "maverick guards" but part of a system of degradation developed for use by British and US troops called R2I - resistance to interrogation", however it has take 5 posts from him, and a few corrections from some of us, to make him realise this.

What Gareth is actually is quoting in his 12 May 04 - 07:50 PM post is a description of those same R2I techniques, that Ard macha had already referred to.

If Gareth thinks there is something ambiguous about the Observer article, perhaps he should wax a little more eloquent on it, and tell us where he believes the parallax to be.

Jim