"Guest from NW shouted at Beardedbruce and there was no comment from Bobert who nearly at the same time
had made the quoted remark to Beardedbruce who had used much less shouting. It seems to me that shouting is considered as more inadequate if we do not agree with the position of the shouter."

my shouting was in response to a comment by beardedbruce about the "silence" he heard when throwing out bad things that other nations do as opposed to what we americans do. what others do is no justification for engaging in immorality and abuse yourself. to do so is to show that you have no moral basis either. didn't your mother ever ask you "if everybody else jumped off a cliff, would you do it too?"
sanctioning torture as american policy is a cliff we will wish we never jumped from. we live in a dark time.