You are not by any chance a stuck record player are you CarolC? If you look at what Giok and Wolfgang have written they have answered your points already, not once but several times. Freda, thank you for your creative and helpful posts. The last two paragraphs of the second one exactly encapsulates the problem we are having with CarolC, who is determined to characterise us as racists because we recognise a problem when we see it.