Guest 25 Apr 05 - 04:32 PM,

I don't argue the semantics about alcoholism with people who insist it isn't a disease. It is most certainly a mental disorder that is exacerbated by the ingestion of the substance, as all substance abuse is. Now, you seem to be from the school that says mental illness isn't a disease the way something like multiple sclerosis is a physical disease. But most health professionals would disagree with you. We humans are just as crippled by addiction as we are multiple sclerosis.

Many forms of mental illness can list manipulativeness, self-centered narcissism, and other behaviors common to alcoholism, as common to their disease states as well. It doesn't mean the person suffering the disease can stop those behaviors without treatment, through will power and self-discipline. To suggest otherwise is to demonstrate a profound ignorance of mental health issues.

I will say this again. If the friend is suicidal and can't bring themselves to seek help, take them at their word, and work with the family to get them committed to 72 hour detox and a rehab program. It could possibly save their life.