Susan, you've got to be living under a bushelbasket to believe this when it comes to Shambles repetitive complaints:

"they are very good at keeping their personal thoughts about stuff separate from their loyalty to the job they have been given to do."

I don't think the clones should change anything unless the poster requests it, in the BS section. Stay out of it. Editing buttons were meant for music.

Or if the offended person requests it, first he or she must ask the poster. Half the time, people take offense over stuff other people don't mean to give offense about. If they sign their name they should be able to communicate with the one they are pissed about. If they don't sign their name too bad. If Max wanted to eliminate the ability to speak up anonymously, he would eliminate it.

Cloneheads were instituted because Max doesn't have to time to edit. Not because they were meant to be moral arbiters, or inherently more capable of being moral arbiters, including Father Joebro. He's just an ordinary man with as much pettiness in him as the rest of us. Or should I say as much "devil."   

Bert is the only one of the signers on this thread to show Shambles any reasonable support or look for a solution. They rest of you are part of the problem since you aren't part of the solution. My opinion, which I am entitled to.

I also think bullying is "picking on" someone over and over about something. That person may set themselves up as a victim but to blame him for your response to him is blaming the victim. Solve the problem children. Don't keep saying mean things about Roger.

And if anyone accuses me of bullying Lepus, I will agree. And if Lepus wants a personal or public apology for anything I said that was UNTRUE, he will get it. But he hasn't ever asked me. so there

l,h