inOBU, I haven't gone away, you know ! Quoting you:- "same (British) army machine gun a crowd watching a football match in Cork, and then burn the town in the early part of the twentieth century." My parentheses. And what football match in Cork would that have been ? Are you not thinking of the incident in Croke Park on what has become known as "Bloody Sunday" ? And before you say anything further, I am *not* confusing it with the Londonderry "Bloody Sunday". Oh, and another thing, before you accuse me on introducing "cock fighting", perhaps you had better read over the past contributions. It was Brendy who brought that particular form of barbarism into the discussion. Trevor.