At last we are getting some proper discussion and a bit of humour too, which is all I hoped for really. Mr Red you say you don't do patronising but that is exactly what your last thread was. You DO do patronising, and rude, but it would be nice to see a bit of the humour you profess to have. Come on, this is your chance to shine; if it's good all can have a laugh at my expense, but at least we will be laughing (I'll admit to you if it's good, even if it cuts to the quick). You should take a leaf out of Nellie Clatt's book, and Goik's who's having a try. So let's lighten up a bit and have a bit of a fun for Keith's sake. Wouldn't it be ironic if I congratulate a poster for their wit and it turns out to be Keith Donnnely? Perhaps he could do a 'make me laugh' workshop for those like me who don't get it. We want to understand Keith, we really do.