You still haven't addressed the origin of all pipes - bellows or arm-driven (Uillean/Bagpipes etc) early Celtic history (as supplied by the Romans mentions them as 'horrendous caphonies of sound produced by bags of wind'. Funnily enough, it's why the Goscinny & Uderzo character from the Asterix comic books, a bard, is called (in the English translation) 'Cacofonix'.

I can't recall which Roman historian I read wrote that description - though I'm fairly certain it WASN'T Pliny the Elder (or Younger, for that matter) - It MAY have even been Claudius himself; he was a pretty fair scholar and historian.

And if I may return the favour - thankyou for taking the bait on my hook as well!!! - - - :

"learn your history outside of music"

& "silly, erroneous statements"

It's nice to see I'm not the only one who can argue a point well!

And yes, I did know about the western range of Dalriada - predominantly north-eastern and eastern Ireland (Scotia) - pretty much what now constitutes "Northern Ireland", or Ulster: I chose to leave it off given that both had their own kings with the 'Scottish King' (the one in Ireland) being somewhat of a "High King" over the two realms - fairly soon after establishing the kingdom in western Scotland; Dalriada (or Dal Riata) was pretty much a kingdom independent of its origins in Scotia/Ireland. However, I figured if you were as knowledgable as I thought you were, you'd dive on that omission as well - thanks for redeeming my faith in 'nitpickers' (I am one - in case you hadn't realised).

You're not an Aspie as well are you? I am!

Nice chatting - PM me some time, love a good chat.

Muttley (JohnW)