I cannot resist this even though I was not going to get into this:

Subject: RE: BS: Israeli Jews/Israeli Arabs
From: Peace - PM
Date: 30 May 08 - 04:56 PM

Brooklyn.

Sure---who can afford any of the 5 boros anymore. Smart move!!!

On a more serious note---all things evolve and there is , surely, some fault on the Isaeli side not. But, historically, let us also recall the riots (pogroms if you will ) by the local population prior to the 1940s, let us also recall that HST recognized the State of Israel in 1948 (much against the advice of his anti-semitic state department) and the all hell broke loose when the Arab nations attacked. Let us also recall that Palestinians fled---and, at first, were urged not to by Israel and encouraged by the same Arab nations that now forbid them entry., let us also recall that David Ben Gurion understood the feelings of the Palestinians and said many a time that were he in their place he, too, would feel the right to return, and, finally let us recall that all the wars after that one were begun by the totally unorganized ( or is it disorganized) Arab nations.

Since all things evolve, including the history of the U.S., we have to understand that there are matters that are fixed in stone. We can only go by past history and, hopefully, the good intentions of people. Sadly, governments do not have good intentions. Governments have intentions of control and power. People have good intentions. People who are politicians become, what I believe, purveyors of governmental bad intentions---think Darfur, think Zimbabwe, think Germany (1930s---and prior), think Japan (1930s), and, yes, our own lying leadership---if you can call this administration leadership.

Carol C: I have to partially agree with you. The CHristians you speak of have their own agenda and, frankly, it is bizarre.   Of course, if one believes in this twaddle one can understand from whence they come.

          I am reminded of story a minister with whom I play tennis related--briefly---Gee---the Pope came to the U S and was decked out like he was a birthday party---Jesus wore sandals and rags.

Bill Hahn


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