well, I've been trying to keep pace with this thread and would like to applaud all for bringing it back from the brink of a slanging match to a sensible and good natured discussion once more.

Bryan, your club sounds great. Am sad I live too far away to visit.

I do visit a number of clubs on a not very regular basis, plus one on a very regular basis, and far back in the mists of time in this thread (or possibly a parallel one) I talked about a lady, at the club I regularly go to, who is causing exactly the kind of difficulty that others have also descirbed. She's enthusiastic, friendly, keen, comes along every time.... has a very small repertoire of songs that don't really fit in with what everybody else is there for and doesn't sing them very well, and has shown only a very small amount of awareness and improvement over the past 5 years or so but really not much - if she continues at this rate it'll be another 20 before she's actually enjoyable to listen to. Nobody at the club says anything bad to her, a few suggestions have been made which have I think led to the small improvements we have seen, but we're worried that she is putting other people off from becoming regulars, because they don't want to have to sit and listen to her every time.... and given that the club only just has enough regulars and semi-regulars to keep going, we might not be going in a couple of years, let alone 20. What do we do???