I try to avoid Pip Radish style snippiness at all times Sure you do. glueman, every time you've raised a specific issue with the 1954 definition I've responded. Every time I've asked you a straight question you've ignored it. This has made me suspect that you weren't entirely serious about wanting to have a debate about definitions. Your admission that what really floats your boat is ringing people's bells and running away tends to confirm my suspicion.
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