Guest jOHN, I think you and Don First would probably discuss your points of view in depth. Your logic is just the one he abides in!

As to the other Don, your list, of traits, are great...and can ALL be traced back to a decisive gene......sorry about the one that the less scientific, and more political champions of valor and obstinate stupidity, seem to 'know about'!
Keith and Paco....glad to see some common sense still resides in the Mudcat forum! Coming into this thread, when you did, must make you feel like a stranger in a strange land...there certainly are some strange critters in here!...but..I agree with your sensibilities!

Now let me think....umm...how come porn addicts aren't crusading for equal rights?...or government subsidized porn?.....or even free medical, for callouses on their hands?...probably because they do what they do and shut up about it...sorta like people do with their spouses.
I wonder if therapy could change their minds.....or anyone's in relation to their sexual dispositions......and all along, the knuckleheads thought it was genetic...like race...good luck!!