I will not take up too much of your time, as this thread is so long, and, in cases, repetative of others. The poor s*d who started it, wants to finish. Thanks to Linda Kelly who said "close your eyes if you don't like users of song sheets". and Desic who raised the point of keeping songs short on busy nights. When we go and play at venues that haven't heard us, we bring out the stuff we know by heart. The only way we ageing people can learn a song well enough to do that is to do it hundreds of times with the words. My singing partner's recent memory is nbg, and he has to learn stuff by osmosis. Therefore, where sheets are acceptable, we will play more often.