I just want to say I am not against gun controls .... I'm for them .... what I'm trying to say is don't expect gun controls to have much affect against murders. Humans are much, much, more dangerous then guns.

now ... back to the debate

Preceptions again .... Western Europe, most of whose countries have much tougher gun laws than the United States, has experienced many of the worst multiple-victim public shootings.

mass shootings at schools ... Where have the worst school shootings occurred? Nearly all of them in Europe. The very worst one occurred in a high school in Erfurt, Germany, in 2002, where 18 were killed. The second-worst took place in Dunblane, Scotland, in 1996, where 16 kindergartners and their teacher were killed. The third-worst, with 15 dead, happened in Winnenden, Germany. The fourth-worst was in the U.S. — Columbine High School in 1999, leaving 13 dead. The fifth-worst, with eleven murdered, occurred in Emsdetten, Germany.

and then there was the Norwegian tragedy last summer.

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