i recall with continuing horror the press conference with rumdfeld, when he was asked by a brit reporter, " the britush were in iraq for 47 years and didn't have much effect on weternizing the culture, so why do you think americans can do it in four or five years?"

rumsfeld scoffed and said tyhe british were not in iraq foe 47 years.

those guys were totally igorant of the world. it amazes me that those guy could be so uneducated about the world and want to govern and start wars.

at least the british knew something about the people they were invading and how to wring prifit from empire--at least for a while.