You don't half think a lot of yourself, Liz. Think of it this way: maybe all the shrieking and ranting and brow-beating and endless fights is what drove a lot of those posters away. I expect a collective sigh of relief was breathed when one particular "vibrant and bloody minded" poster was banned for good and all. The same nonsense has driven away a lot of good, interesting, regular members of the Mudcat. As long as all this screeching and facebook timewasting keeps you off the street, I guess the Mudcat is at least doing it's share for Care in the Community.