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GUEST,Nobody in Particular BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare? (599* d) RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare? 04 Nov 13


Mr Firth, Once again you you display a degree of being disingenuous. Guest from Sanity's last comment only indicated that a return would be in about a week. The reason was not indicated. I could not tell if the remark was done out of sarcasm or as was indicated, that simply there was to be a return in about a week's time.

I read some of your exchanges with a number of posters and you made some reasonable assertions and expounded emphatically, but you exaggerated on half truths. One example was concerning the Federal Reserve System. Both Guest from Sanity and Songwronger pointed out that your current system came into existence in 1913. You're contention was that it was from the early formation of your government. Guest from Sanity correctly said that the time you indicated the banking system was formed the money was backed by a gold standard. That is true.

Songwronger indicated numerous subjects about the current health care debate and you provided a 'Politifact' link which, in my opinion was a good idea. However, while going through the topics related to the health care debate I found this:
"6. Under Obamacare, people who "have a doctor they've been seeing for the last 15 or 20 years, they won't be able to keep going to that doctor." Mostly False.

U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., July 31, 2013 in a Fox News interview

Some have suggested that Obamacare would interfere with doctor-patient relationships. Actually, there's no more interference than what existed before Obamacare. Right now, patients can lose access to their doctors when their insurance policies change. This typically happens when employers switch plans or when workers switch (or lose) jobs. Under Obamacare, some patients who buy health insurance through the marketplace could lose access to their current doctor, but it's difficult to predict how many. And it would be because they have a new insurance plan. We rated this claim Mostly False."

Since then, July 31, 2013, when this was written, this has now turned out to be 'mostly true'. This is because of the overly burdensome and expensive mandates put upon private insurers.

And then there is this:
"9. Because of Obamacare, health care premiums have "gone up slower than any time in the last 50 years." False.

President Barack Obama, Oct. 3, 2012, in a presidential debate

The historical data for health care premiums only goes back 14 years; there's no evidence to support the idea that premium increases are at a 50-year low. Overall health care costs have slowed down, but even there, Obama exaggerated the impact of his health care law. Experts say slowing costs are due to a variety of reasons, including the recent recession. Giving all the credit to the new law overstates the case. We rated the statement False."

This is just as it says, a false statement from your President.

This happens to coincide with my statements upon my arrival into this thread.

What's more, is that since this, more misleading statements from him have come to light and currently the news broadcasts are inundated with them.

So you may wish to consider these before you make such emphatic statements and accusations to your fellow posters.

Now I'm not saying that everything Songwronger or Guest from Sanity have said I totally agree with. I also cannot totally disagree with everything you have said, as well. But I would suggest to you to keep the dialogue positive and not to degenerate into your condescending remarks to those who you have differences with. Finding a middle ground is preferable way to exchange ideas, rather than attempting to beat down those with different points of view. From doing this innovation blossoms forth!

As previously said, I believe I've come up with some ideas having been on socialised medicine myself for a number of years.

Let's keep it positive. Let's be the innovators. Perhaps something may appeal to both sides of the debate that was not considered before, and who knows what may come out of it.

Hopefully less bashing and bickering and more peace and productivity!




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