I like Howard's model - it does describe things very well. What ever the label people give to a public event it needs to help the public understand what the event might be like.

Many of us are clear about what we would expect in a Folk Club and Open Mike events have evolved - and more power to them - to give people who sing almost anything - an opportunity to do so. I have been to a few and probably wont go again. But all live music is good.

But Al, tell us the one about the horse - you know we like that!