For some reason between about 7:30pm mddt & 8:30pm mddt (4:30 to 5:30 here) could not connect to the 'Cat. Had I been so able I would have told Greg F. that while I had read (to that time ) no hard evidence pointing towards Hamas or Hamasites, the circumstantial evidence is quite strong. --or can't we even agree on that? As someone has already presented the Israeli case, I will not repeat any of that.

I was speaking with my pharmacist in Israel (price of my drug about 25% of USA price, and quicker by nearly three weeks to receive than from my former Vancouver, BC supplier -- but I digress). We spoke of the heinous kidnappings which had occurred earlier in the week. He said he was sure they were already dead, then, because a) no person or group was taking credit for the crime, and b) because no demands had been made for a ransom/exchange/release. It seems he was correct, based on what I read today.