Leveller, I'm so very sorry for what your poor Mum went through.

Right, well, first of all, apologies to Jeri for wrongly accusing her of closing the previous thread. Secondly, thanks to Maggie for doing what she did, but I would never have thought in a thousand years you'd do that, as you've said some pretty grotty things about me in the past.

Yes, I was getting concerned that the break-up of my marriage, of all things, was being used against me, in someone's desperation to paint me as darkly as possible, but I just try to battle on, regardless...However, thank you for being so thoughtful, Maggie, but I wish those posts had just been removed, as Eliza states above, rather than the entire thread closed down.

Also, I so wish that these 'guests' who use the Guest Button to say such things, could be named and shamed in Mudcat. That would solve a LOT of problems, surely?

Anyway, moving on......

Leveller, I'm very sorry for what happened to your mother-in-law. He was a terrible human being, for sure, one whose brain pattern was psychopathic and narcissistic too, I feel. He also had such a deeply unhealthy relationship with his mother. Keeping her to himself for 5 days after she died..and it doesn't bear thinking about what he may have been doing in that time. He said that those few days with her were amongst the best of his life, for she was finally 'all his'. I think we should add 'insane' to his 'brain pattern' too.

MtheGM, the woman who was 7 years old at the time stated Rolf abused her as she waited at the front of the queue for his autograph, whilst in a community centre in Portsmouth. He'd just finished singing some songs. NO connection to that community centre EVER having had Rolf Harris visit has EVER been found, not even by the Police, nor the Prosecution it would seem, but hey she just glazed over that part....Rolf denied being there.

I turn words into pictures instantly in my brain, maybe everyone else does too, I've no idea...but I read her statement, of how Rolf crouched down when he was doing her autograph, talking to her and putting his hands on her bottom, inside her knickers, touching her...doing this TWICE, the second time far more forcefully..and my mind goes "EH?????!!!!"

She was at the front of the queue, with others behind her, very close by, all of whom would, I've no doubt probably been looking directly AT Rolf Harris. So HOW did no-one notice????   I mean, seriously, SERIOUSLY, HOW do you put your hands inside someone knickers, surrounded by people so close you could probably reach out and touch them, whilst none of them notice?    And a 7 year old would squirm I've no doubt. WHERE were her parents?

But all this is irrelevant as Rolf has NEVER been found to have ever, EVER visited this community centre. He was a BIG star back then, had been singing, so she said, so perhaps tickets had been sold, etc...WHY was there NO report in the local papers? She couldn't even get the year right...Why was there no record in the community centre archives, in Rolf's manager's appointments books, his driver etc..????


CAMBRIDGE!

Ah, yes. According to the BBC this morning, THIS was what swayed the case. The woman who was then, 13 or 14, (none of them seem to recall dates or ages) was a waitress (very young for a waitress, but mayhap she was just helping out where no alcohol was being served)...and she was at the filming of the 'It's A Knockout' programme in Cambrdige, execpt, it wasn't called that at all, it was 'Star Games' which she got wrong, and she was also about 5 years out too...(5 years out????!!)

Rolf said he'd never been to Cambridge, not until very recently. A video had been found on Youtube of this particular programme, showing Rolf taking part. The prosecution lawyer then went APE-SHIT and labelled him a LIAR, saying he was *deliberately* try to lie his way out of his terrible deeds.

Unbeknown to this Prosecution Bitch From Hell, (I don't often use the 'bitch' word, but my god, does it suit her!) Rolf's old friend, Sue Cook, a famous TV presenter from around that time (back in the 70s this was) read this in the paper, in the trial updates and was so enraged she went to her Twitter page and commented. The next day, she was in Court, giving her evidence. She said that she too had also been part of filming that programme and, just like Rolf, had actually forgotten all about it. She also said she had no memory of it being in Cambridge either (it was on the outskirts of the city) telling how celebrities are so often just driven to venues, do the 'gig' whatever it might be, then are driven home again, or on to the next booked venue, often having NO idea where they even are.....

Cambridge Woman has already appeared on Breakfast TV, albeit with her voice dubbed over and her back to the camera, telling how her life has been ripped apart in the most awful way ever since that time, which is seared into her mind forver...(shame the date and the name of the programme had fallen right out though). I've NO idea if Cambridge Woman has been paid for her interview.

Tonya Lee...Now, she's ALREADY been paid for HER story, before she even went to the police!   Yes, Good Ol' Tonya has been telling her story for a while now, through tear stained eyes and perfect make up. She even hired an agent to get the most Loadsa Money she possibly could...$60,000 was to become hers, but so far, she's only made $28,000 apparently, as the nasty wicked agent still has to pay her more..and she had to give half the money to her even more nasty and wicked former boyfriend, Fian McDaid, to jolly well make him go away. Fian The Villain, has said she made it all up to pay her debts off. She says he beat her up and has served time for this.

Now, Australia Woman, who is Tonya, came to London when she was just 13 or 14 or 15 years old, depending on which way the wind is blowing. She said she became anorexic because of Rolf inviting her to sit on his lap whilst writhing around as she did so. He then waited for her after she'd gone to the toilet, in shock, opening the door to the pub corridor, to find him outside, where he then, in full view of anyone who may have been coming or going to those toilets, proceeded to sexually abuse her....She did, however, remember, when reminded by the Defence, that actually, the whole 'eating disorder' thing had started BEFORE she ever met Rolf, because other members of her *ACTING* troupe (note that word, 'acting') hated British food and so had barely eaten a thing, many of them losing a lot of weight during their time over here...

What a sillybilly, eh?

And finally, we come to BindiFriend Woman.....

Now, she claims that Rolf had been grooming her since she was 13. He'd said 'sexual' things to her such as, "You look lovely in that" when she was wearing her flesh coloured bikini on holiday with Bindi. Who knew that 'lovely' is apparently a sexual term these days, if you use it towards a young girl...so, all grandad's, WATCH OUT!

She also claims he did all sorts of sexual things to her whilst his daughter was in the next bed...that he ruined her life, had a 'hold over her'..but she also managed to get in, for what reason I have NO idea, that he has a 'very, very small penis' (WHY would she come out with saying such a thing?)..and he apparently had this 'hold' over for ten YEARS, during which, she became an alcoholic, although, Bindi, as I recall, said she had already been experimenting with drink a lot earlier in her life....Bindi also stated that she felt her friend truly loved her father...that was when she'd got over the shock of it all..

As I stated in the other thread, in case you missed it, MtheGM, my mother had an affair with my brother's best friend. I was 14 at the time, my brother therefore was 17 and his friend, a little older than him, was around 19. Shit happens in families. My mother was also around 18 when she met my father, who was 17 years older than Mum...Dad loved Mum to the end of his days. They stayed together, the 'boyfriend' became part of the family...It was all kinda weird and horrid for a while, but we learn to get through these things...

Keep up and make more coffee! ;0)

So, very little surprises me at all in life...and it's perhaps what's made me into The Pink Panther, searching for 'the other side' of things, the reasons why, etc....

Rolf's story was that he ended the affair. She then got very upset, said she'd always hated him etc.etc....and she asked him for £25,000 saying she and her brother would go to the media if he didn't pay. He didn't pay. This is when he wrote the letter to her father, to apologize for having assumed she'd loved him and that their relationship had been built on love and respect....He was an old friend of Rolf's..and Rolf said he hated himself for what he'd done, that he must have read all the signs wrongly etc....and that he hated this part of him.

Which part? Well, most will think he's talking 'children' here, but I think he meant just women in general, that he had a high sex drive and a need to be loved by many women, perhaps..admired....

Even now, at 84, he's still a good looking man, takes excellent care of himself....

The images on his computer? These were found way back..and it's puzzled me for AGES as to why the police did not just prosecute him there and then, if they were as bad as we're now being led to believe. They did so with Pete Townshend, after all, didn't they?

The Prosecution Bitch From Hell said today that although the sites he'd visited claimed to be adult porn sites, the people on them being 18 and over, the girls looked a lot younger, more like 13, and that is the place she was coming from.

Rolf's lawyers had stopped this being given as evidence because they claimed they were from an adult site/sites....

I have NO idea....nor why he would be viewing them...other than he's obviously been a highly sexed man in his past, maybe still is, despite his age, and also, he's an artist, who draws many female nudes.....Many artists are a little off the wall, have been throughout history....but does this make them perverts? Some have been, no doubt, that whole brain pattern/hormone thing again, but it does not make them all paedophiles....

Don't get me wrong, I'd kill any man or woman who harmed my children, and I've NO time at all for paedophiles, but this trial has set my teeth on edge from the start, not just because I, like so many others, love Rolf and have done for decades, but because there is NO evidence at all.....

Even the porn sites...I mean how many men in here would put their hands up to taking a sneaky look now and then? It's NOT a side of the internet I like, I actually loathe it, for I think it's altered the minds of many folks and not for the better...many YOUNG folks too, VERY young folks at times who know how to view these 'orrible sites....

I've seen the most foul and festering outpouring of vileness from the British Press, one, The Mirror, even asking how his wife could live with herself knowing she could not keep him sexually fulfilled enough to stop him from going out and harming children!! I kid you not!!! A link to that article is in the other thread....

Now, even to the end, he's being made out to be some evil bastard, with the last moment release of the 'computer images' details today, despite them having had this info since 2012, despite the prosecution Bitch From Hell using it in the pre-trial summing up, which you have to search for, but it's there...As mentioned above, it was denied being used in court, due to the *adult* nature of the sites, not the *child* nature....

So, the end of this horror story is that his fortune will be carved up and given to his 'victims' (there will be LOADSA NEW ONES, trust me) and the police in the UK and Oz, who have been dealing with this...leaving barely anything I expect, for his family in future years, bearing in mind he has a daughter and grandson.   They've all been put through hell by Operation Yewtree and it will never leave them. Rolf can no longer care for his elderly wife and they'll probably die apart after 56 years together, albeit in a somewhat unusual marriage....but they stayed the course..and Alwen stayed beside him to the very end, as did Bindi, his daughter...

I just feel achingly, desperately sad about it all....and angry that the police even let this come to trial in the first place, when the evidence wasn't there at all...