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MGM·Lion BS: Caliphate (1365* d) RE: BS: Caliphate 09 Jul 14


"Then there are only the options I have mentioned - send them all back or gas them all."

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But you are well aware that these are not 'options' at all, aren't you, Jim? As Penelope Keith as Margot used to say innocently in The Good Life: "You're making fun, aren't you?"

In fact, tho, you are just being deliberately provocative. It's actually a dishonest bit of rhetoric, Jim. I assert that we have a problem without an evident solution; so you can imply that I have suggested your two putative non-'options' when I have not even implied either in any manner whatever.

You may try to deny it, to yourself as well as to us; but that is a typical Jim Carroll mode of argument; and if you hadn't realised that before, realise it now, for crying out loud. And then realise you will really have to do better. All of a piece with your notorious 'here to steal our jobs' accusation, which you had to climb down from with some fatuous piece of evasion about its being a 'rhetorical assertion attained by following the impetus of the argument", or some such silliness.
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"Trying to enlist the general Muslim population has never been tried, in spite of the goodwill that has always been forthcoming"

A dubious assertion, I think. Look at the part played in our national life by many prominent Muslims, who have come forward with goodwill, and been embraced by the nation as a whole --

from Wikipedia

"Muslims are playing an increasingly prominent role in political life.[67] There are currently eight Muslim MPs[68] and twelve Muslim Peers (there have historically been about fourteen, starting with Lord Stanley, a peer that lived in the 19th century). The majority of British Muslims vote for the Labour Party,[69] however there are some high profile Conservative Muslims, including Minister for Faith and Communities and former Co-Chairman of the Conservative Party Sayeeda Warsi and Economic Secretary to the Treasury Sajid Javid,[70] described by The Guardian as a 'rising star' in the Tory party.[71] The Guardian stated that "The treasury minister is highly regarded on the right and would be the Tories' first Muslim leader."
British Muslims are well represented in various media positions across different organisations. Notable examples include Mehdi Hasan, the political editor of the UK version of The Huffington Post[73] and the presenter of Al Jazeera English shows The Café and Head to Head,[74] Mishal Husain, a British news presenter for the BBC, currently appearing on BBC World News and BBC Weekend News, Rageh Omaar, special correspondent with ITV and formerly Senior Foreign Correspondent with the BBC and a reporter/presenter for Al Jazeera English,[75] and Faisal Islam, economics editor and correspondent for Channel 4 News'.'[76]
There are several Islamic television channels operating in the UK, including Muslim Television Ahmadiyya International (MTA International),[77][78] Ummah Channel,[79] and Ahlebait TV."


Does all this suggest the universal failure you suggest, Jim, to make any accommodation with that section of our demographic? If others prefer to live in enclaves in Bradford, Southall, Leicester, or wherever, then what are you yourself doing about trying to bring them forward into the mainstream as the ones named above have done?

Just asking --

~M~




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