seems to me ,that finding the most extreme example to argue against a more moderate opinion is probably not very fair. that might be extreme feminists ,who, I would argue, do despise their own gender by equating motherhood and being a wife as oppression, or the lady that I had never heard of who seems to discourage career women......though evidently heading up her own organization !. interesting that ed provides a link to roman women. paul, often characterized by bible skeptics as a woman hater, actually elevated their status in the church.....though a lot less than modern leanings. I am surprised that joe thinks that biblical ethics reflect their era. from what I understand of the secular and pagan practise of the time, I would expect homosexual practise to have been celebrated, were that the case.
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