Yeah your typical vicar gets just as involved in his life work, but doesn't make it above scrutiny.

Jim, you have made comments that do not bear scrutiny and confuse opinion with fact. We all do from time to time, but you plug away regardless. If you are damaging young peoples' ears, lower your voice.

Michael. The beer reference was, as you possibly actually know, a reference to the folk club culture and experience. That is as nostalgic to many of those who haunted folk clubs as any warbling voice singing about an England that is as removed from those listening as country and western is to the many who love it. I mention that because in folk clubs I listened politely to social,workers and teachers singing about mining, yet if I went down the Miners' Welfare for a pint, the turn was usually C&W. Most of my workmates saw the value of mothers, prisons, farms, trucks and trains rather than hewing, (not a word used in mining since my Grandfather's time.)