"....deny the obvious , and accept the incredible" said bill.       Can you really not see, that something from nothing via no one falls neatly into that description !?       But from your earlier post, I am not really surprised. You are not about to bow before deity, even were you persuaded intellectually . Sad about it though.                                              Shimrod, some or all of your suggested propagandists , but not all aware that they are so. And there's a lot of well paid jobs.....probably much more than most clerics earn.....that might just sway reasoning.    But I mainly use that term in terms of contrast. Instead of presenting evidence for their dogma, it is just presented as fact. These posts, and probably mostly yours, shimrod,, are perfect examples.