bill,- presuppositions may come in different flavours, but seems to me that just as creationists presuppose creation , evolutionists presuppose evolution. both have the same evidence and data, and both claim it supports their position.
so how does each side present their evidence. I suggest that though biblical creationists unashamedly begin with the revelation of God, they support this presupposition with scientific and logical arguments. opponents may offer some kind of answer, or they may fall back on the science being provisional and open to new data claim.........which is being done as in dino bones for example.
most of the arguments I am getting amount to it is true because lots of scientists say it is.
to reinforce this you all use the term -scientist- as though synonomous with evolutionist. this, conveniently forgetting that most of scientists in history have not been evolutionists, quite a number still aren't, and who knows for the future.
responses to list......
1, anyone acting as evolutionist is not acting as a scientist ! how can you assume the creationist is less biased than the Darwinist, other than assertion it be so ?.
2, straw man, have I ever claimed human/dino prints as proof....although I might have mentioned someone who was convinced about them. I personally don't, unless further finds are much less dodgy evidence.
3, so you want science to be inprecise ? in any case, sometimes they are way off, even by their own standards.
3a, I would -suggest-, that disagreements do cast doubts. if the science is so evidenced, I would have thought they would all agree, for example, on whether the data supported dino- bird evolution or not.
4, if I am not textbook per argument from authority/ numbers, I have explained why I say it, and still seems logical to me.
4a, I believe in God, why should I accept the illogical idea that everything could begin without a first cause ?

I understand the force of belief in a naturalistic beginning for one who is not willing to bow before God, but it is sad ,imo that so many "good Christians" caved into it.