"no, people go to socialise at folk clubs they always have done," In the clubs you go to maybe - the ones I was involved in where the people wanted to sing or listen to singing" correct, they do both,i have not said they did not go there to sing or not to listen to singing. "you are the one that has said singing of any worth cannot take place unless they are present" where have i said this? i have not, stop making things up.
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