Wow, and I was just beginning to take you seriously. Keith is all cherrypicked quotes and no scholarship. Meretricious in the extreme. I don't really do numbers games like Keith with his "all historians", but you are severely on your own here in your (noticeably muted) defence of him. At least you (unlike Keith and meself) can claim a degree of scholarship, though you do tend to muddy it with your rather blind and ardent advocacy of one side of events. Eyes tight shut, hands clasped over ears. You have your heroes and you won't be swayed. Unfortunately, that's quite possibly not a great approach to historical enquiry. But how would I know. I'm just off to read my botany book now.