Thanks Teribus. Your position seems more reasonable than some others and while I would always rail at the phrase 'believe me because I know better' I am happy to accept reasonable argument. I am not saying I will necessarily agree but at least I, and many like me, will consider the possibilities. I know it doesn't matter whether I agree or not but I think an agreement to differ may avert a war while 'I am right, you are wrong' is more likely to do the opposite. People are contrary like that and will usually attempt to defy authority. I include myself in that.