I think the starting point is to dispose of the old affiliations. It'll hurt, but can you really believe that Miliband's Labour has anything in common with the common man when they still dance to a Tory fiddler? That you can was implicit in Desi C's reply, but you must always count your fingers after dealing with politicians of any shape or form and I'm pretty sure he's short a few. Can Labour be recovered to do the job it should be doing, speaking for the common man in a dialogue with business? Not until they clear out the current wave of Blair's children.

No, I have no answer on who to deal with in their stead, either. The answer has to be to recognise we're back in the situation the Labour Party was in in 1900, and start over. Not nice, but when you're dealing with turncoats you have to sweep clean, and only a new brush does that.