well, I reckon, that if football can get in here, I can carry on responding to the evolution believers. oops...stilly don't like that term, and seems to think I am misusing it. however, stilly does not say what the evidence for her belief is, and shimrod merely asserts that it is evidenced. however, the scientists have the same evidence, whatever their position on origins. and as I have said before, I have probably read or viewed more evolutionist propaganda than shimrod has read creationist.....who is the blinkered one !!    stu, you have a point so far, except that no scientist knows it all either. in fact, does any evolutionist know how it, supposedly ,works,as in the details you demand of the inner science of engines.