" ... as far as a first cause can be demonstrated. it is at least logical to say that if there is a creation, and there is, then a creator [ who is outside of that space/time/matter creation], is a valid argument. contrast that with the general theory of evolution that says absolutely nothing "went bang" and then contrary to all observational science, gases became matter, ..."

Oh dear!

1. The word "logical" DOES NOT mean "pete's preferred explanation"!

2. Where in the Bible (apparently your only reference book) does it say that God is "outside of that space/time/matter creation"?

3. You're conflating scientific theories concerned with the development of life on this planet (the "general theory of evolution") with scientific theories concerned with the origin of the Universe.

4. I've asked you this a million trillion times (and I've told you not to exaggerate!) but where did God come from (bearing in mind that you've probably made up the bit about Him being "outside of that space/time/matter creation") and where did he get his materials from?

5. And you STILL haven't learned that gas IS a form of matter, have you, pete!!!! Extraordinary!!! You, a complete scientific ignoramus, could boil some ordinary tap water to make steam (a gas), condense the steam to turn it back into water (a liquid) and freeze that water to make ice (a solid): gases, liquids and solids - all forms of matter! If God created you, he really missed quite a few bits off, didn't he, pete?