if I am playing a game [ which I don't see it as ] , shimrod, I reckon I might be doing better than you, the scientist, who cannot cite any science to support what he claims is true !. oh, and that word " consensus " is because you keep appealing to it, and you don't get it, that that is not an argument. all it proves is that more people agree , than not. and is all the mockery and badmouthing an attempt to stop me replying to you ? ........ it will probably work !.

and I see stu has returned already from refusing to engage me to go off and do science, with a distinctly unscientific put down !