Well, pete, I'm to wait for the archaeologist's "spade" now, am I? You appear to think I'm making an argument from silence. Well it's sheer lack of evidence that I'm politely pointing out to you. In spite of Jesus's getting on the nerves of those literate Romans, and even being executed by them, there's not a single contemporary mention of him anywhere outside religious sources. That's not me making an argument - that's me pointing out a fact. The only comment I need to make about that is that it's a bit odd. As with all those millennia spent waiting for God to show his hand, your archaeologists do seem to be dragging their feet somewhat. However, I'm a patient chap and I'll probably be long in the tomb before I get to reach a final conclusion. As for Dawkins being a cultural Christian, he'd tell you that atheists and Christians alike share many of the same moral values. The question is who usurped the values of whom. I don't recall hearing that all those ancient pre-Christian civilisations got by by eating each other's babies, rescued only when the Saviour showed up. Christian values are a bit like Christmas - nicked from someone else.