Rather than wear out my fingers typing more of the same points, I refer everyone to one of the few threads I actually started: after the school shooting several years ago. I was very angry & frustrated, and continued to be as posters like "Henry Krinkle" tossed out the same tired rationalizations about 'needing' guns for self-defense and the idea that the 2nd Amendment was 'clear'. "Shooting tragedies and guns" It went for 1164 posts, and contains about all the arguments & positions that exist. I looked it up to remind myself of what *I* had said and how I said it. You may find your own posts there too. Read it as far as you can stand it... (don't try to open it all at once, it will bog down your browser)...Read MY posts for a summary of what was happening, as I tried to keep the discussion on track & insert rationality into an emotional debate. ESPECIALLY read this argument about the math of the situation and the inferences I don't suppose many will read too far... but Mudcat does have all these threads available, and all the comments- fair, stupid, and everything in between.
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