not taken by the people choosing them by election, but by politicians - and that is your idea of democracy?
Oh for heavans sake. That's what happens in a chamber with a nominated membership. If we don't like who the politicians chose to be there we choose different politicans.
One of these days one of you will run into a Keith in real life, will screw up your arguments and people will adopt his point of view, or elect him to parliament or something.
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