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Little Hawk BS: Guns - keep banging the rocks together (147* d) RE: BS: Guns - keep banging the rocks together 01 Aug 15


Gfs...we agree on more than a few things, but I want to correct some ahistorical, and oft-repeated, but untrue things in your statement below:

***** "Some people (mostly some of the Brits) wholeheartedly agree with Adolf Hitler. He banned all guns, then attacked Britain. It's a good thing that the Yanks knew how to use those guns....it saved Britain's ass!" ******

Okay, here we go.

1. Hitler did not ban all guns. Hardly. It's an apocryphal story endlessly repeated by American politicians, and it's simply not true. This has already been commented on by Ebbie and Rapparee.

2. He did not "then attack Britain". He attacked Poland in September 1939. Period. Just Poland. He did it believing that Britain and France would make angry noises about it, but not go to war. He was mistaken about that! Britain and France declared war on Germany within days, which was a stunning shock to Hitler and his diplomatic staff. Therefore, hostilities between Britain and Germany began when Britain (along with France) declared war ON Germany. This does not equate to Germany attacking Britain, as Germany did NOT initiate a state of hostilities with Britain or France, they responded TO a state of hostilities declared BY Britain and France. Germans, not surprisingly, considered Britain and France to have started the great power war that followed, since they declared war on Germany. There followed a lengthy period called "the phony war", because none of those three powers were ready yet for a major campaign in the West, and they all desperately needed more time to prepare. By spring of 1940 they fairly much were ready. Hitler had always envisioned the British as his most desirable potential allies in the new World Order that he had in mind, and he was very hopeful of avoiding war with Great Britain. Because of this he made many militarily odd decisions, such as not sending in the panzers to crush the British troops trapped at Dunkirk. He expected the British to reach an accommodation with Germany and seek peace after the Fall of France. Again he was utterly mistaken. He did eventually attack Great Britain when his diplomatic hopes got nowhere, yes, but a lot of fighting and time had gone by before that happened.

3. The Yanks' use of guns is not what "saved Britain's ass". The Russians saved Britain's ass when they stopped the German army dead in its tracks before Moscow in December '41, threw the Germans back, and inflicted upon them their first great defeat on land. It was the Russian Army that broke the back of Nazi Germany's military machine in huge battles of attrition from Dec '41 to May 1945. Nearly 8 out of 10 German soldiers killed in that war died on the Eastern Front. The fighting in the West was a sideshow in comparison.

4. Did the USA help the British fight the war? Certainly. And that help was quite significant. But it does not compare in importance or scale to what the Russians did. You won't get this in the Hollywood movies, because all they are ever about is promoting the USA version of itself as "savior of the world", and they have little to say about the Russian role in WWII.


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