Most forums dislike meta discussion. Live with it. You can be as civil as you like here in such debates, but there's a moderator (or two - who knows?) who will use any such debate as an excuse to shit on the Brits here. Worse, they lack the judgement to get rid of bigotry whilst simultaneously deleting the protests against it. I can't deny that I've taken against and despise this particular person for the manner in which they behave (see ultra-childish post at 11.02am). However, this rather shallow person has the power to obliterate what they see as embarrassing/insulting/left-wing/anti-bigotry/Brit/you name it posts/threads at the touch of a key, and there's nowt we can do. It's their gig (never did work out whether it's a he or a she) and they can do what they like, and I doubt that they have any sort of daily wise overseer. As I said, it's the way towards making this forum a graveyard. Without the spark of below-the-line, we're doomed. Also, as I said, just take a look at Chiff and Fipple. A cautionary tale indeed.