well yes its worth of comment, jim. so start another thread and comment on it.

the actual subject under discussion here is, whilst recognising their right to have what laws they want, its a bit of a bugger that they-re intending to beat an old man. i cannot think of any Muslim i know who would approve of it.

you seem to think that murky goings on in our past give them some sort of moral right to get on with it, with a whip made somewhere other than England.

hand tooled leather by a skilled Irish workforce with a European subsidy maybe......