Well Steve , you conceded more than I expected , and of course I expected you to say these quotes were insufficient. But I am satisfied at least that there are more contested sources granted by you than the two insufficient and contested, originally claimed as the only ones.   So , according to you , evolution is true , but you claim less certainty for the theory of...   Firstly, can we agree on what we mean by evolution, which is why I have been trying to get an agreed definition, and I suggested kerkuts.   And secondly what is your evidence that evolution is true....and that has gotta be a whole lot more than appeal to numbers of academics subscribing to it.   Thirdly , as I have presented a few evidences that evolutionism is contrary to observational, repeatable, testable science, you need to deal with them . An admission that you don't have an answer will be a good start !.    As to what I believe , I have never claimed exhaustive proof or evidence that can only be viewed one way, though I am confident that my faith is reasonable. You, however are claiming intellectually , scientifically validated standing for your belief, and therefore the greater onus is on you to demonstrate it.......or else admit that it is rather philosophically held belief.