I find myself in the position of being on board with most of what Steve says,I also agree with most of what Joe says. Although asking Joe to defend the indefensible is a cheap lazy shot. Most of the debate here is decades out of date,yer of your time fellas. Future generations will grasp this nettle, currently en mass we're not up to it. I'm Obviously not talking about the God/Source 'thang but the consciousness potential of each of us.
         We reach our true potential most of societies issues disolve. Yes I may be a a dreamer but I'm ...blahblah.
         You see what I wanted to discuss is a reality that many many experience and always have done down through the ages, that's an indisputable fact. Inconvenient I know, but we have to get to grips with it and at least understand it a bit better, instead of hiding from it. Peek a Boo ! ..Or ignore and carry on, where collective human existence is the energetically repressed toxic mess it is.