Well, Joe, I espouse all those values too, and I've also taught my children to espouse them. I seem to have managed all this without the crutch of a Jesus Christ. I've managed to oppose those evils without recourse to that fellow. I suggest, being nice to you, that you might have been that way even without him. I also suggest that people who can oppose all those evils without the Jesus crutch could just conceivably be made of sterner stuff. I went to the funeral of a good friend I'd known for over forty years. A lovely, gentle man he was, a fantastic family man who would do anything for anybody. He hated religion and would only go near a church for weddings and funerals. His Christian family wanted a Christian funeral service. The vicar at the service regaled us all with the assertion that my friend had learned his moral values from his Christian background. I nearly died suppressing my laughter. You blokes who try to equate your goodness with your religion have got a lot to learn. It has nothing to do with it, old chap. The evidence is all around you for the taking. Good believers, bad believers, good atheists, bad atheists. If you need Jesus to make you good, there's something wrong with you. As for your critical thinking, it doesn't seem to extend to your consideration of evolution or starry nights. It certainly hasn't helped your understanding of science. And there is no excuse for sending children to a school where you know they will be lied to under a crucifix. That's just immoral.