The incident in Surbiton, Jim, was something I mentioned many moons ago- I really couldn't see what relevance it had to the current exchange of views except as a further contribution to your obsession about Bob D, so I just 'thought I'd clarify what happened!
I admire what MacColl did for the music in the early days, and especially the songs he wrote, but with MANY reservations. There are equally as many anecdotes about MacColl's behaviour, illustrating arrogance rather than verbal violence but let's not get into all that again- it would be nice to hear that you could accept that Bob did ANYTHING for the music, apart from your blinkered hero- worship? Yes, he was a pain at times, but..... also the spirit of the Empress of Russia continues at the MT club, whereas MacColl's sterile 'Singers' club influence seems now to be confined to the media- ie academic rather than active and living.

Thanks Dick, let's get on with the music instead of all this wasted energy- as a FINAL comment on the original point of this thread, it may be a cliché, but a good song is a good song...