"How dare you people deride one club and object when I give an opinion of another?"

I don't think I've ever derided the Singers' Club on here - quite apart from the fact that it was all before my time, I've said before that the policy of encouraging singers to seek material from their own area played a part (for instance) in getting Harry Boardman and others to explore North West traditions, and was therefore a Good Thing.

However, the Singers' Club is long gone, and beyond harm from even the most malevolent Mudcatter, whereas Cellar Upstairs - whilst very much alive - is vulnerable to damage by negative comments on a folk music forum. The Sheila Millers and Vic Smiths of this world are on essentially the same side as you, Jim - give them a break.