Joe Offer It's far easier to says that things follow the laws of science or nature (take your pick), and reasonable people know what that means. If you say exactly the opposite of what you mean "reasonable people" will know what you mean? I'm sorry, but I don't think I'm playing semantic games to have a problem with that. If you follow the link in Ed T's post of 14 Jun 16 - 01:09 PM you will see that this is a major topic of philosophical debate. (It's unreadable but it does show the debate is there.) Saying that nature follows the laws implies that the laws pre-exist and, as I said at the outset, that sounds dangerously close to intelligent design.
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