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Allan Conn BS: Nationalism - a good or bad thing? (156* d) RE: BS: Nationalism - a good or bad thing? 02 Nov 16


The trouble with the idea that Scotland voted Remain because it has less immigrants doesn't completely hold up. Yes Scotland has less immigrants per head of population than England has - but it has more than Wales has and Scotland voted Remain whilst Wales voted Leave. The UK as a whole has 8.4% of the usual residents who are non-British nationals. England has 9%; Wales has 3.9% and Scotland has 5.4%. So if the reason is just based on how many immigrants you have why did Wales not vote Remain? And why did London vote Remain whilst some areas of England with far fewer immigrants vote Leave.

Surely what also affects things is the rhetoric and language of your politicians plus how strong the right wing of the Tory party and UKIP were in the area. Basically in Scotland all the main parties were actively and officially pro-EU apart from the Tories who were not allowed to take an offical party line although the leadership of the Tory party in Scotland was pro-EU. The only comparable figure to a Boris or Farage within Scotland was Cockburn and he is looked on as a joke and a bit of a pariah. Basically whatever individuals on here think about the Brexit issue itself- the Scottish based politicians were giving the message that it was a positive thing to stay in the EU. On a wider UK stage though it was different. Leavers were vocal whilst the leadership of Labour seemed apathetic and the message from number 10 was "yes it is not great being in the EU, but I suppose we'd better stay in, and maybe we could make it a wee bit better". The only strong support was from the Lib Dems who were sidelined through their fall from favour. That has bound to have had an effect too.


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