Glad to see I am only a dimmo now, being called insecure was beginning to get a little tiresome.

And of course I cut and pasted the definitions, it was pretty obvious I would have thought.
Had I paraphrased the definitions you would have started bleating I had it all wrong.

Well stevie and jimmiue as you make such a deal of it you tell me where true socialism has been tried and failed.
My original post said socialism in the generally accepted sense of the word, you both parrot on about "true socialism."
Why not simply take it in turns to post. It get boring reading the same thing twice.