i agree. don't lets get into bitter abuse of each other.

Jeremy Corbyn isn't being derided for being a decent chap, which we all agree - he is. People distrust him because they don't KNOW where he stands on brexit. plus with someone as nutty and unpredictable in the White House - is this the time to chuck out an independent nuclear deterrent. The Yanks are great people but they have a tendency to leave us high and dry as in 1939 and at the time of Suez. WE can't help the fact that this country has a history and many many enemies. Ignore it at your peril. most people don't - and as with Kinnock and Foot before - this alone will send Corbyn unlamented to the bottom of the ocean. his call and he blew it!

I think Ake is right on this point - a lot of labour voters will vote tory. bad news for the nhs and much else.

as usual i will vote labour with a heavy heart - but that's how it is!