"I really don't like being pushed into a defensive posture. I much prefer open discussions where all positions are welcome and respected."

I guess we all feel a bit like that in these discussions, and I've been a bit ranty in the past when I've had to deflect some rather supercilious invective. I'm trying hard NOT to react like that anymore.

Meanwhile, this thread has been instructive and I've been reading up on Spinoza since he was mentioned in this thread yesterday, and I'm intrigued. Damn, I'd wish I'd had a half-decent education. We should be teaching philosophy in our schools from primary level onwards.



"If the Church was to condone homosexual "marriage"

Aaaaaaaannnnnnddd out of nowhere, he mentions it again. Really Ake, we understand exactly where you're coming from. Let's park this one mate.