What I told you about my uncles is the unvarnished truth. They are both dead now but I left them in no doubt as to my opinion of them. I'm ashamed of belonging to a family that espoused that, but that kind of thing has shaped my views all my life. They were racists through and through, and I see no difference between them and Keith, Teribus and bobad, for the reasons I've given in my posts. I worked in schools in East London and Walthamstow for thirteen years, in schools with very large ethnic minorities. Let me tell you that I know precisely what racism is. I swore to myself, after seeing kids victimised by it, and one family who lost three members to a racist crime involving a petrol bomb pushed through their letterbox, that I would never fail to call it out wherever I saw it. And I see it here in the attitudes to Arab citizens of Israel in this thread. My criticisms of the perpetrators here is very plain, not all condescending, and the label writ large with the word racist is fully deserved.